TurboSliders.com F1 League 2011 Edition

misterpom · Post by **misterpom** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:49 pm

Shit qualy, as expected.

Shit race, as expected.

Some decent battles here and there but eventually everyone passed me easily. I put way too much fuel in the end also, so that cost me positions too. I have no idea how to drive on wet tracks and I keep on touching the kerbs. I can't help it, really.

I had no lags this time around, so I guess firing those damn morons engineers was good for the car.

Please someone with a good heart, put up some guide on how to drive well on wet tracks.

shyguy1001 · Post by **shyguy1001** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:50 pm

Watch race vid, pole lap

Out friday/saturday!

Etmil · Post by **Etmil** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:16 pm

Anyway, I think this am the best wet track like EVAR. Please, can we have more of these?

lux2 · Post by **lux2** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:19 am

It's because it's "dry"! There is not any sliding out of the kerbs.
Only brake power is reduced.
There are tight corners and antisliding wet (?) tarmac. I skipped it last season because it was not fun for me.
Tijny said: "my track, my terrain". True! Do your own tracks as you prefer!

Everybody love and hate different thing... it's useless to go back everytime on these points.
With more players we could have more kind of cups and everybody could choose those they like more.
With about 30 players and all kind of cups based on antiXXX cars, let people like me that hate (very very much!!!) antisliderthings to have some fun.

And, even I'm maybe only one (of the two, with olio

) that hate antislidingthings, I'm not he only who loves (or, at least, accept) slippery tracks. There was a poll about wet races (i can't find it

) with a clear result.

Anyway, now I have a new pc and I only have to decide between rFactor and netKar. Then, 29 players and only olio to hate anti

Pingu · Post by **Pingu** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:16 am

lux2 wrote:It's because it's "dry"! There is not any sliding out of the kerbs.
Only brake power is reduced.
There are tight corners and antisliding wet (?) tarmac. I skipped it last season because it was not fun for me.
Tijny said: "my track, my terrain". True! Do your own tracks as you prefer!

Everybody love and hate different thing... it's useless to go back everytime on these points.
With more players we could have more kind of cups and everybody could choose those they like more.
With about 30 players and all kind of cups based on antiXXX cars, let people like me that hate (very very much!!!) antisliderthings to have some fun.

And, even I'm maybe only one (of the two, with olio ) that hate antislidingthings, I'm not he only who loves (or, at least, accept) slippery tracks. There was a poll about wet races (i can't find it ) with a clear result.

Anyway, now I have a new pc and I only have to decide between rFactor and netKar. Then, 29 players and only olio to hate anti

That track had slippery kerbs because in order to do a fast lap you had to use the kerb to slide and turn more near the end of the track.

rFactor 2011

? I think you can only play that properly with a steering wheel :p

Post by **Tijny** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:31 am

lux2 wrote:And, even I'm maybe only one (of the two, with olio ) that hate antislidingthings, I'm not he only who loves (or, at least, accept) slippery tracks. There was a poll about wet races (i can't find it ) with a clear result.

There's a very simple reason for not being able to find the poll, and that's because it was never there.

xzeal · Post by **xzeal** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:11 am

I hate rain races, also the rookie race result.

1. [fS]Jan 50
2. [fS]Hevonen 47
3. Hazard 44
4. Augusto 42
5. [dp] Drago 40
6. [VRT] Szymek66 39
7. [+] xzeal 38
8. ziossi 37
9. [BRASIL] mjay 36
10. Simmser696 35
11. kkyborg 34

lux2 · Post by **lux2** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:52 am

Poll is here: viewtopic.php?p=23827&sid=557307f37bcfe ... 78d0223451

Pingu, I was only joking about rFactor.
I'm attracted but it requires more time and complications (like wheel and pedals and... why not a seat?) than that I'm available to spend in a game.
Anyway, I'm waiting for rFactor2 with some interest and curiosity.

shyguy1001 · Post by **shyguy1001** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:25 pm

Yup, I'm also waiting for rfactor 2 before I'm gonna go that way.. I have F1 2011, which is a good balance of arcade/simulation.. rfactor 2 should supply me with all the sim I need once it's out, and of course I will always have turbosliders for the fun

Post by **dede** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:46 pm

lux2 wrote: Tijny said: "my track, my terrain". True! Do your own tracks as you prefer!

True. But we could try to find better settings, since both of the current ones are bad in a certain way. I'll put it in my to-do list

shyguy1001 · Post by **shyguy1001** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:00 pm

I would love for rain to give a proper "trail" behind the car of spray, like in real F1, could be hard on the CPU but of course it could be easily turned off

lux2 · Post by **lux2** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:06 pm

dede wrote:...we could try to find better settings, since both of the current ones are bad in a certain way

I was and I am still agree with this.
I think we could do some test and try something during the week.
All "wet haters" are obviously welcome ( i mean they are needed!) to these tests.

pablinho15 · Post by **pablinho15** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:50 pm

Perfect track,perfect wet.Nice job luxuring.

Jaykoq · Post by **Jaykoq** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:40 pm

Sry guys. Yesterday I waited for some time for stats, but no answer.

I came home 30mins ago, and I will sleep around for 7-8 hrs.

Tommorow around 12h (CET) will all results be updated.
I promise.

Sry for waiting. :/

Jaykoq · Post by **Jaykoq** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:40 am

Jaykoq wrote:You will have to update me with new teams, points sturcture for teams etc.

And pls tell me results of rookie race.

Everything is up to date.

Follow link from quote

If there is some changes in teams, pls tell me so I can fix that.
Thanks.
Sorry for waiting :/

shyguy1001 · Post by **shyguy1001** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:35 pm

Jaykoq, I'm pretty sure Mike Nike and Whiplash wished to be team [x]

shyguy1001 · Post by **shyguy1001** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:38 pm

Ok, I only just noticed no points for retirements. I think this is a very very bad thing. Here's why:

"Hmmm, might as well point out I retired from second race, as did mister pom.. I personally think that's very very wrong. If you are gonna go for a NASCAR style points system like you have and offer points across the board, they must always gain points for every race started or there will be no chance at good championship positions. Plus, I know Pom pulled off the track because his car was too dangerous to be on the circuit - would we prefer he continues to struggle on because he needs the points?"

Del · Post by **Del** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:53 pm

You only get points from your top 8 races anyway. I think the no points for retirement system is good because it may make people less likely to enter the race if they know they can't finish. It's common sense to stop (or retire from the whole league) if you keep disconnecting.

shyguy1001 · Post by **shyguy1001** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:01 pm

Well clearly, Dede has already used two bad finishes, the 8 race thing am not enough.. If you are going to offer points for every position, it's not even a QUESTION that at least SOME points must be awarded. Sure, a ten point penalty for not completing 50% or more of the race, that should be sufficient. But to lose 25+ points because I decided to stop rather than be a danger on the track? Ridiculous!

It's not as if every race 40 cars finish. If you are going to award points for every single car, there should be completely no question that where they finish in the order is where they get points for. No question whatsoever.

Del · Post by **Del** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:17 pm

What would it change if top10 or whatever got points? dede would still have 2 bad finishes (0-point ones at that). If all races counted it would be even worse for him. He just had bad luck. Should only the best race of the season count so we could have 5 winners?

I didn't think of this in the last post but now that the rookie race is identical to the pro race (though still not quite the same obviously). However you could still easily get 20 or whatever points just be qualifying for the pro race while denying someone the chance to race in the pro race which I think is a bit lame. The 20th in pro race should complete the race just a bit faster than the winner of rookie race. And if you have to retire from more than 3 races of a 10 race season (assuming you try to pre-qualify for all the races and 1 race not being too disastrous for your final result) you could question your participation in the league. Especially if you put others in great danger.

shyguy1001 · Post by **shyguy1001** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:58 pm

3 bad (20 something point) finishes from retirements are nowhere near as terrible as three 0 point finishes. And it's not well defined either - how come me and pom get points whereas Kapa, Whiplash and Wokinger don't? I'm just annoyed I didn't pick up on this earlier. Here's the Indycar points system btw, perhaps this would be a better one to adapt:

1st 50
2nd 40
3rd 35
4th 32
5th 30
6th 28
7th 26
8th 24
9th 22
10th 20
11th 19
12th 18
13th 17
14th 16
15th 15
16th 14
17th 13
18th 12
19th 12
20th 12
21st 12
22nd 12
23rd 12
24th 12
25th 10
26th 10
27th 10
28th 10
29th 10
30th 10
31st 10
32nd 10
33rd 10

Maybe double those values to allow for some differential between 18th-24th and 25th-33rd? Also allowing it to go all the way down to 40? Personally I think a points for all cars system should really go all the way down to 1, on the 40th car.

Jaykoq · Post by **Jaykoq** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:23 pm

Points:
I said somewhere (and it is marked with * in race stats) that I won't give points if you don't finish the race. No-one said anything, so I thought it is ok.
Also, I had suggestion for something similar with points sturcture (50-45-40), but dede told me that it is too much difference.
And, 40th driver gets 1 point. 39th gets 2, etc.

Besides "Top 8" system was annonced before teams and this qualifying. I think that we MUST agree to all rules before 1st race, because this now is too flexible. Ok, I can edit teams etc, but doing all-over again, and after 3rd race would be funny. If we follow that logic, we can change all rules before Race#08.
But that is my opinion. You don't have to listen to me. It's all the same for me, but it's difficult to understand some rules if you change it in the middle of season :/

Teams:
When Whiplsh or/and Mike Nike will say to me "We are xy team" I'll put them there in team. This "I think he thought to say to her so she could tell to him" is not 100% reliable.

Post by **dede** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:01 pm

Jaykoq wrote: If we follow that logic, we can change all rules before Race#08.

This will happen if my connection fails one more time!
I think that giving 0 points to those who don't finish the race is ok, since we aren't counting 2 races out of 10. I completed my races just because I knew that after the disconnection I wasn't going to disconnect anymore, so I drove for fun. But I'm going nowhere with first two race results (points or no points are the same).
In the other hand, I see the point of Shyguy.. I cannot blame those who retire just because they don't want to hurt other players. So, let's give points for all positions and, eventually, let's kick players out of the cup if they don't finish many races.

shyguy1001 · Post by **shyguy1001** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:29 pm

Here's my proposed points system, with reasons for each gap:

Here are what the points would look like if it were used:

NOTE: I'm not suggesting this for this year. Too much work for Jaykoq, although if he wants my spreadsheet he can have it. But, maybe in future years think of one like this?

EDIT: I just realised the moot point of the "sitting in server" points, is that they need 40 players to be valid. So ignore that little point

xzeal · Post by **xzeal** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:13 pm

Hey Jay, would you mind replacing the "Minimum points in a race" value in your tables with the "points minus the 2 worst races"?

PS: If you are having trouble - the SMALL function in excel might help you with that.

PPS: dede - I seriously hope you dont plan on having more than 2 rain races in this season. Frankly if I knew it was rain beforehand - I would not even show up.