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Post by Whiplash » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:10 pm

Lanz, I uploaded the tracks, but I don't know what else to do with sources.

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Post by Lanz » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:09 pm

power79 wrote:
Lanz wrote:remaining points spots from 4-8 will be assigned to those who reached quarter finals! again faster total race time sets the order here! same to last 2 points spots!
This says that 4th place is determined by faster race time. I guess its just a typo.
yep it's a typo! fixed now!

Mike Nike wrote:slight adjustment suggestion for the drawings:

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16

8
9

4
13

5
12

3
14

6
11

2
15

7
10
sounds good to me! hopefully we get up to 16 players but that's highly unlikely! i think it will probs look like this!

duel 1
1
8
======= Semi Final - Winner 1vs3 (duel 5)
duel 3
5
4
======================================================== Final - Winner 5vs6 (duel 8 )
======================================= Small Final - Loser 6vs5 (duel 7)
duel4
3
6
======= Semi Final - Winner 4vs2 (duel 6)
duel 2
7
2

from the organizing point of view it would be totes better to have 16 players, so guys make sure to get some extra people in! because if we get 10 people it's best to skip the 2 slowest out! if we get 12 we just can't just skip 4 dudes, that's unfair! still i'm not sure how to handle them in case we got 12! if we get 14 the 2 fastest ones get a free ticket for the next round! so it's best to have 16! so make some rumors for it! thx
Whiplash wrote:Lanz, I uploaded the tracks, but I don't know what else to do with sources.
thx! we don't need more! 16 laps ghost quali all off! and then just 5 laps for each and every heat! just make sure enough races are that we don't have to restart the server during it! thx

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Post by power79 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:20 pm

Lanz wrote: from the organizing point of view it would be totes better to have 16 players, so guys make sure to get some extra people in! because if we get 10 people it's best to skip the 2 slowest out! if we get 12 we just can't just skip 4 dudes, that's unfair! still i'm not sure how to handle them in case we got 12! if we get 14 the 2 fastest ones get a free ticket for the next round! so it's best to have 16! so make some rumors for it! thx
If you have more than 8 you sure can make an extra K.O. qualify round with the slowest ones? Like if there's 10 people then there would be qualify round (7 vs. 10 and 8 vs. 9) before the "real" drawings. With 12 (5 vs. 12, 6-11, 7-10,8-9). It would take extra time but still last less than with 16 players and it can be even best of one if necessary (better seeded can choose startposition). I mean it sucks if someone doesn't get to drive even one K.O. fight (that could easily end up being me :cry: ) .

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Post by Lanz » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:01 pm

power79 wrote:
Lanz wrote: from the organizing point of view it would be totes better to have 16 players, so guys make sure to get some extra people in! because if we get 10 people it's best to skip the 2 slowest out! if we get 12 we just can't just skip 4 dudes, that's unfair! still i'm not sure how to handle them in case we got 12! if we get 14 the 2 fastest ones get a free ticket for the next round! so it's best to have 16! so make some rumors for it! thx
If you have more than 8 you sure can make an extra K.O. qualify round with the slowest ones? Like if there's 10 people then there would be qualify round (7 vs. 10 and 8 vs. 9) before the "real" drawings. With 12 (5 vs. 12, 6-11, 7-10,8-9). It would take extra time but still last less than with 16 players and it can be even best of one if necessary (better seeded can choose startposition). I mean it sucks if someone doesn't get to drive even one K.O. fight (that could easily end up being me :cry: ) .

if 10 people join we could do that! wouldn't be a big deal!
if we are 12 we drive 6 duels, so 6 + 2 Lucky Losers advance to the next round!

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Post by power79 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:19 pm

That would be cool.

Btw, I hope no one cheats by turning the car around after control point 6 and cruise to the lap record without driving the big loop. :lol:

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Post by Lanz » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:45 pm

power79 wrote:That would be cool.

Btw, I hope no one cheats by turning the car around after control point 6 and cruise to the lap record without driving the big loop. :lol:
hehe! that's not going to happen! if you don't drive the track as you should you loose the heat anyway!

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Post by Whiplash » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:02 pm

These are the sources to be used:
/source custom.play.PTM.SE.qualify
/source custom.play.PTM.SE.race

You should test it just to be sure I didn't fucked up something again. :P :oops:

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Post by Lanz » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:06 am

Whiplash wrote:These are the sources to be used:
/source custom.play.PTM.SE.qualify
/source custom.play.PTM.SE.race

You should test it just to be sure I didn't fucked up something again. :P :oops:
thanks! works! just put it up to 100 races to be sure, 44 seems not enough!

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Post by Mike Nike » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:30 pm

geez, 1st 5 lap race after the cup: 1.50.145.
luckily i won with the good performing palo, but the pressure effect in cup probably made me do more mistakes than any other influence.

the 10 5-lap-races practice before the cup:

1:51.488
1:50.091
1:50.514
1:50.340
1:50.098
1:50.798
1:50.685
1:51.725
1:50.921
1:50.241

and in the cup.. (kinda paranoid safe driving, with a little server-warpyness and a little brain-warpyness)

1:51.331
1:51.155

1:51.187
1:51.268

1:51.091
1:51.196

1:51.168 (aborted) [24.029 22.141 21.798 21.524 21.676, last 2 laps kinda trying to catch palo, who disconnected]
1:51.049
1:50.763

so, quite constant kinda..
knowing from practice, that 1 mistake can cost 1.7 sec +-, the paranoia didnt seem to be there for no reason..

edit:
cup ended ~ 22:17, so...2 hours 17 minutes for top2 (or top4) time consumption, with a lot of 2-0 wins, we might still consider something up to 2:30ish for probable upcoming similar events with same amount of participants.

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Post by power79 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:48 pm

Yes. Local is different. Even I drove 1:51.1 times when i practiced locally.

OMG. I checked my race recording and almost all warping disappeared from that as soon as I turned my HUD off. FFFFFF if I would have known this I could have raced normally against Whip. But I am used to have that HUD on and couldn't guess that it would cause that (except when Mike told me about that , but it was too late then). I know I would have beated at least Reirom's time, but now I think I didn't even get any Cup points. Well, I guess there's always next year. Stupid,stupid me.

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Post by Lanz » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:15 am

once again i feel like the show event was quiet a success! it took a bit to long for my taste but with only 1 server i expected nothing else! was a bit stressful for me but since it turned out pretty good it's not a big deal! about my performance i can't say im not pleased with it even though i didn't reached the semi finals! i expected a tight battle with palo and it turned out that way! he was just a bit faster! thx to all who joined!

Results:


Show-Event

1. [Merc] Mike Nike

1:51.331 - 21.674
1:51.155 - 21.597
1:51.187 - 21.669
1:51.268 - 21.711
1:51.091 - 21.690
1:51.196 - 21.688
1:51.049 - 21.628
1:50.763 - 21.624

2. [Audi] Palo

1:52.165 - 21.620
1:53.268 - 21.787
1:51.078 - 21.575
1:53.644 - 21.563
1:51.226 - 21.670
1:52.641 - 21.699
1:50.619 - 21.523
1:53.567 - 21.578
1:51.196 - 21.705
1:51.393 - 21.523

3. [Merc] Stylus

1:56.136 - 21.570
1:52.128 - 21.922
1:51.546 - 21.688
1:52.116 - 21.655
1:51.652 - 21.740
1:54.224 - 21.668
1:53.930 - 21.694
1:51.518 - 21.640
1:50.780 - 21.498

4. [Merc] Alfonso

1:52.108 - 21.812
1:52.462 - 21.711
1:51.505 - 21.758
1:51.129 - 21.652
1:54.202 - 21.598
1:53.225 - 21.600
1:51.567 - 21.705
1:51.429 - 21.619

5. [BMW] Lanz

1:51.788 - 21.731
1:51.116 - 21.618
1:51.690 - 21.569
1:51.113 - 21.610
1:51.429 - 21.639

6. [BMW] Szymek

1:51.413 - 21.656
1:53.694 - 22.017
1:53.206 - 21.673
1:51.775 - 21.694

7. [BMW] GR8 Arjen

1:52.360 - 21.818
1:53.552 - 21.784
1:52.306 - 21.717
1:53.334 - 21.850

8. [Merc] Whiplash

1:52.490 - 21.608
1:52.442 - 21.717
1:53.789 - 21.680
2:00.501 - 21.644

9. [Audi] REIROM

1:53.444 - 21.777
1:56.668 - 22.134

10. [BMW] power79

1:54.806 - 22.033
1:53.682 - 22.080

11. [BMW] Shyguy

1:56.967 - 21.952
2:17.478 - 23.050

12. [Audi] Popowitch

1:57.498 - 22.701
1:57.090 - 22.188

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Post by Lanz » Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:00 pm

Show-Event-Table

In case someone wants to download all the videos from each and every heat nicely ordered he can do it right here.

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Post by Lanz » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:39 am

hey guys, first of all Happy Easter to all of you!
today no race is scheduled, instead i give you guys a quick overlook of what's left to finish the 2nd Puschtras Touring Masters! actually i wanted to make a new track for this season but due to spare free time i was not able to deliver it! unless some easter miracle is going to happen! :wink: i had in my mind to create the new moscow raceway, again the sprint version, don't know why the DTM always races the short version of the tracks! so instead of moscow we once again race at Brands-Hatch, the long version ofc!
The Championship is far from decided and i think it will be open till the last lap at the old and legendary Nürburgring! mathematically 5 guys can still win it, but realistically it's me Mike and Stylus who will sort it out! but you never know what's going to happen as it was shown in Zandvoort where i disconnected and ended up getting 0 points! in that race me and mike soon ran away from the rest of the field and due to the disconnection we both got robbed from a fight for the win! mike also had connection problems in that race but still was able to win it! but to be fair i also have to mention that mike didn't participated in the first 2 races, pretty sad bacause all the other pro's didn't showed up either! so two 2nd places in the upcoming races is enough for me to secure the title! but playing it safe is never the best solution! with mike wanking the hell out of the last 2 tracks :roll: it's going to be thought to win them but i can promise you guys ill try my best! but i also don't count out Stylus, he won in Oschersleben showing that also he can be a big threat! so i'm looking forward to the next week! i'm ready to sort it out on the track! may the best win! cya

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Post by power79 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:49 pm

Lanz wrote:
power79 wrote:
Lanz wrote: i have a question about the TS Reader tool! somehow i can't open Whip's vids with it! i always get an error message! why that?
For some reason those tsr files are not compressed which is what my tool expects when it reads it. If you can compress those tsr files to gzip format (I use 7-Zip) my program can then read the file.
ok thx!
I updated the software. Now you should be able to open those videos. I couldn't find the bug that causes some converted laps(last lap?) to fail but they seem to work if you make a two lap conversion (lap you want + one before that). You can then edit/cut the result inside TS replay.

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Post by Lanz » Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:56 pm

little reminder, race starts in 1 hour!

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Post by Mike Nike » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:45 pm

some local nonfuel made me only get a 34.815, next to quite a few low .8x's. kinda lost the flow then and started my first race sim today. 20.16.9 2 stopper, then 20.14.5ish 1 stopper, both with few mistakes. another try made me get 20.11.3 2 stopper (0 mistakes) and a 20.12.9 with 2 bigger mistakes (2.0sec total) + 2 very little (0.5ish). so, 1 stopper felt 0.4-0.9s faster.

warmup was quite good, q1 was solid and q2 was even better. way better than expected (0.299 to 2nd, unfortunately lanz :P)

long time in race i thought stylus would get 2nd, but then he made an unexpected pitstop in lap 12 or so :S...2-3 laps later than normal and 1 lap earlier than my 1 stop strategy. that maybe cost him the 2nd place, not sure though.

lanz said, his 2nd stint was very good, so i kinda liked to compare it to my local 2 stopper..

Lanz (race)

20:22.735 (35.674)

38.691c
39.604c
37.084c
36.616
36.659
37.109
36.728c
37.061c
37.165

39.150
42.626

35.852
35.937
36.275
36.717
36.367
36.323
36.208
36.409

38.558
42.422

35.737
35.723c
36.231
35.674
35.929c
35.924
35.861
36.082
36.399
36.090
37.005
36.519

Mike (3rd race sim, local)

20:11.334, (35.406)

38.105
36.102
36.142
36.464
36.264
36.445
36.259
36.380
36.956

38.866
42.963

36.036 +0.184
35.996 +0.059
36.096 -0.179
36.036 -0.681
36.097 -0.270
36.301 -0.022
36.147 -0.176
36.244 -0.165
35.990 [very fast]
36.237 [solid]

39.285
42.814

35.406
35.511
35.671
35.794
35.794
35.727
35.835
35.905
35.711
35.755

so, ~1.25sec i was faster local.
considering i was driving around 0.12sec+ slower per lap in race compared to local, it's kinda similar fast.

in 3rd stint, my head already thought about next race and the chance i might disconnect still, during the current race.
that made me struggling a bit, including a mistake in a spot, i usually dont mess up.
also i might have been hold up a bit by popowitch.
with my big lead i didnt mind him ignoring the very light blue flag. his car was way faster, but he made mistakes here and there.
it actually created a nice unexpected little fight after driving kinda alone most of the race.

all in all, quite well prepared and luckily successful, accordingly. and also no problems with the eyes in race (had few during race sims, even my sleep rithm was nicely adjusted this time).

next track, ~25sec/lap might be a traffic desaster^^ and i can imagine lanz will practice quite a bit :P
hah, i wish it would be a ghost race :P

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Post by Afinfas » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:12 pm

I like this track and cause of that I only made 1 race of 20 laps to remember again the turning points.

Got a nice Q1 and a bad Q2, still was enough to get 3rd place on the grid.

Race started and I lost right away a place but recovered it after 1 lap or so. As I dont really like to make pit stops (I always have the feeling I loose a lot of time compared with the others) I went for 1 stop. I think it was a mistake cause I was loosing a lot of time per lap. Had some fights with Palo, and I didnt knew exactly how to react on some incidents. He hitted me a bit on my back which made me go wide and he took the chance of passing me and after I made more or less the same thing, maybe a bit more aggressive, but I decided not to give place back because of previous situation.

Was racing a big part of the race in 2nd place but I knew I wasnt going to hold it due to my tactics. In the end I ended up with a 4th place. Not bad but, not really satisfying for me.

See you next week guys. If anyone cares to analyse some of the already mentioned incidents would be great. Cant be precise on the laps but I think it was before lap 10.

Man, we need the new version soon. When is this going to happen?? Seems very far away! :( I noticed me thinking on it while on the long straight cause I could have used a bit of draft!! :)
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Post by Lanz » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:30 pm

always fun to read mike's analysations! :wink:
to be honest, i think that today i didn't had the chance to win it, even without those stupit mistakes that i made in the 2nd lap! after i got passed by half of the field i immediately knew that the best i can reach today is the 2nd place! luckily i got it in the end! but as i said i knew that mike would be super prepared today because he always is! :wink: i didn't made a race sim or something else, i open the server a bit earlier and make some laps there! no real preparation! so don't expect me to be super prepared for next week either!


Results:


Brands-Hatch


Q1:

1. [Merc] Mike Nike (34.946)
2. [Merc] Alfonso (35.074)
3. [Audi] Palo (35.127)
4. [BMW] Lanz (35.154)
5. [Merc] Stylus (35.247)
==========================
6. [Merc] Whiplash (35.588)
7. [Audi] Popowitch (35.627)
8. [BMW] power79 (35.670)
9. [Merc] laf (36.334)
10. [Merc] Corg (36.771)


Q2:

1. [Merc] Mike Nike (34.847)
2. [BMW] Lanz (35.146)
3. [Merc]Alfonso (35.292)
4. [Audi] Palo (35.369)
5. [Merc] Stylus (35.473)
==========================
6. [Merc] Whiplash (35.588)
7. [Audi] Popowitch (35.627)
8. [BMW] power79 (35.670)
9. [Merc] laf (36.334)
10. [Merc] Corg (36.771)


Race:


1. [Merc] Mike Nike 20:14.559 - Lap 18 (35.685) new Fastest Total Race Time
2. [BMW] Lanz +8.176 - Lap 25 (35.674)
3. [Merc] Stylus +12.335 - Lap 25 (35.347) new Track Record
4. [Merc] Alfonso +15.266 - Lap 19 (35.583)
5. [Audi] Palo +15.445 - Lap 19 (35.484)
6. [Merc] Whiplash +34.033 - Lap 22 (35.851)
7. [Audi] Popowitch +1 Lap - Lap 23 (36.358)
8. [BMW] power79 +1 Lap - Lap 25 (35.838)
9. [Merc] Corg +1 Lap - Lap 24 (37.013)
10. [Merc] laf +1 Lap - Lap 20 (36.875)

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Post by Whiplash » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:43 pm

Fight of the last race - me vs popobitch! :P
Btw, videos are uploaded (first post).
Afinfas wrote:Man, we need the new version soon. When is this going to happen?? Seems very far away! :( I noticed me thinking on it while on the long straight cause I could have used a bit of draft!! :)
:cry: Last time I sent mail to Ande was about a week ago (after a month of silence). I'm sure he's very busy these days. He's probably not even at home. To finish the game I'm predicting he'll need about 10-15 working days. But he just can't catch them. :| So, all we can do is to be patient. :wink:

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Post by Stylus » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:19 pm

I think i had a good race with not too many mistakes but like Mike said, i don't know the pit strategy.
I just pit on 1/3 of race and 2/3 and thats it :)

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Post by power79 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:58 pm

Yeah, Stylus had pretty standard 11-11-11 stints. Maybe more optimal would be like 10-11-12/9-11-13 as first stint takes longest due the fuel, but I doubt you can save 5 secs with that.

I started awfully as usual and then at lap 4 my controller went crazy for a while and I lost around 15s (based on my laptime). After that I had to change to 3-stop strategy and I drove quite badly rest of the race as I didn't have much motivation left. I think I could have fought with Popo and maybe even Whip if everything had gone smoothly.

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Post by Stylus » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:11 pm

power79 wrote:Yeah, Stylus had pretty standard 11-11-11 stints. Maybe more optimal would be like 10-11-12/9-11-13 as first stint takes longest due the fuel, but I doubt you can save 5 secs with that.

I started awfully as usual and then at lap 4 my controller went crazy for a while and I lost around 15s (based on my laptime). After that I had to change to 3-stop strategy and I drove quite badly rest of the race as I didn't have much motivation left. I think I could have fought with Popo and maybe even Whip if everything had gone smoothly.
Somebody should explain me those strategy's and tell why they are faster cuz i don't get that part of racing :O

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Post by Afinfas » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:14 pm

Stylus wrote: Somebody should explain me those strategy's and tell why they are faster cuz i don't get that part of racing :O
Yeah, me neither. :( I have a feeling I always loose a lot of time with pitstops strategies...
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Post by power79 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:53 pm

Well, Mike is more of an expert, but my understanding is that because of fuel amount your first stint has slower laptimes so tires get more worn if you go for same lap amounts as other stints. Also most of the collisions(damage) happens at the first laps so its better to pit earlier for that reason too. Pitting early also gives you opportunity to pass someone who goes later, but that is another topic I guess. Tracks are of course different so sometimes 1 stop is the best way, and maybe sometimes even 3 stops. Doing race sims are pretty much only way to know for sure.

But I'm sure Mike will give you the correct explanation. :D

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