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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 10:13 am

Whiplash wrote:
My comment for now: Poor dede - smacked out by Bruno. :cry:


I'm affraid I started that. I Completely lost my braking point reference there In the mayhem of the 1st lap and overshot the corner bit time. In the process I touched Gol that in turn touched Dede and left both out of the track. I let Gol recover in front of me but Dede was already back on track and going, so nothing else i could do to repair the damage. Sorry to both of them and now I got my first points to my driver's license :wink:

In a nutshell, this is a great format! Well done to everyone.
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 10:33 am

Yeah I agree, for a guy who is in love with Formula 1 and usually played all F1 Games racing full track laps this cup is a orgasm. So thank you to all the Admins behind it 'cause I really had fun during the race, even if my too fairy attitude made me lose 6-7 positions at start which was a madness for real :D I also had some struggles with Bruno (amazing lap 9 haha) and I totally failed a braking point smashing into poor Power, but at least I gave him position back losing those 3-4 secs waiting for him :p Great final with a thriller 4-cars ending, Will's brainlag cost him his 10th place haha. I didn't get what happened to Silva tho, if I'm not wrong he pitted twice in last 6-7 laps.

Guys, there's no possibility to see lap by lap times somehow? I was proud of my sequence in the middle part of the race and I would like to compare it with other drivers but I dunno if it is possible to do it without watching full replay.

Better personal than Whippe, suck it kurac!
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 11:09 am

You can check log.txt file from Turbo Sliders folder if the race stats are still there. I think it gets overwritten next time you run Turbo Sliders.

I once made a program that reads tsr files so I can show those results you wanted:
Lap,Time,Fuel,Tyres
Code: Select all
  1.  1:39.680c  90%  96%
  2.  1:34.871c  87%  91%
  3.  1:29.970c  85%  88%
  4.  1:30.647c  83%  85%
  5.  1:31.775c  81%  82%
  6.  1:31.768c  78%  78%
  7.  1:30.440c  76%  75%
  8.  1:29.217c  74%  72%
  9.  1:30.613c  72%  69%
 10.  1:29.497c  70%  66%
 11.  1:29.083c  67%  63%
 12.  1:29.235c  65%  59%
 13.  1:29.896c  63%  56%
 14.  1:36.243c  61%  98%
 15.  1:29.145c  59%  95%
 16.  1:27.644c  56%  92%
 17.  1:27.737c  54%  89%
 18.  1:28.669c  52%  85%
 19.  1:28.004c  50%  82%
 20.  1:29.283c  48%  79%
 21.  1:27.936c  46%  76%
 22.  1:27.984c  43%  73%
 23.  1:28.161c  41%  70%
 24.  1:28.282c  39%  67%
 25.  1:28.155c  37%  64%
 26.  1:28.225c  35%  61%
 27.  1:28.199c  33%  58%
 28.  1:29.506c  30%  55%
 29.  1:34.873c  28%  98%
 30.  1:27.283c  26%  95%
 31.  1:28.034c  24%  92%
 32.  1:27.229c  22%  89%
 33.  1:26.897c  20%  86%
 34.  1:27.103c  17%  83%
 35.  1:27.605c  15%  80%
 36.  1:26.925c  13%  77%
 37.  1:28.327c  11%  74%
 38.  1:27.660c   9%  71%
 39.  1:27.494c   7%  68%
 40.  1:27.768c   4%  65%
 41.  1:27.172c   2%  62%


And here's mine for comparison (3 stops):
Code: Select all
  1.  1:39.319c  90%  96%
  2.  1:31.389c  87%  93%
  3.  1:32.013c  85%  89%
  4.  1:31.324c  83%  86%
  5.  1:32.574c  81%  81%
  6.  1:31.506c  78%  77%
  7.  1:30.051c  76%  74%
  8.  1:29.349c  74%  71%
  9.  1:28.433c  72%  68%
 10.  1:37.543c  69%  98%
 11.  1:27.531c  67%  95%
 12.  1:28.204c  65%  92%
 13.  1:28.034c  63%  89%
 14.  1:28.311c  61%  86%
 15.  1:28.482c  58%  83%
 16.  1:28.043c  56%  80%
 17.  1:28.681c  54%  77%
 18.  1:28.417c  52%  74%
 19.  1:28.998c  50%  71%
 20.  1:40.240c  47%  97%
 21.  1:27.582c  45%  95%
 22.  1:27.384c  43%  92%
 23.  1:31.622c  41%  89%
 24.  1:27.787c  39%  86%
 25.  1:28.176c  36%  83%
 26.  1:27.549c  34%  80%
 27.  1:27.066c  32%  77%
 28.  1:27.572c  30%  73%
 29.  1:27.505c  28%  70%
 30.  1:34.923c  25%  98%
 31.  1:26.822c  23%  95%
 32.  1:26.597c  21%  92%
 33.  1:27.633c  19%  89%
 34.  1:26.724c  17%  86%
 35.  1:26.397c  15%  83%
 36.  1:26.658c  12%  80%
 37.  1:27.078c  10%  77%
 38.  1:27.894c   8%  73%
 39.  1:28.359c   6%  70%
 40.  1:28.760c   4%  67%
 41.  1:27.351c   2%  64%
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 11:17 am

power79 wrote:You can check log.txt file from Turbo Sliders folder if the race stats are still there. I think it gets overwritten next time you run Turbo Sliders.
Normally it does, but you can enable permanent logging in Settings / Statistics. (Incidentally, I really think this should have been the default behavior.)
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 12:52 pm

I thought I was safe from Carlos and Power79 on the last 5 or so of laps because although they were faster than me at that point they were fighting each other and costing time in the process, but in the last lap, carlos started to really gain time on me and i started to push again only to find out my tyres had no life on them, and I ended up slightly off the track, enought for Carlos to pass me. Furious me, because it was one more corner to end the race, I tried to get a super amazing exit throught the final corner of the final lap to get the place back and... ended up off the track again, just enough to Power79 to overtake me with a nose lenght ahead as we crossed the line :?
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 1:34 pm

Fantastic race and amazingly organized tournament atm, i'm having so much fun even in the qualifies where i suck (not that in race i'm fast). Unfortunately I just can't connect with these cars, I don't know what am i doing wrong but i reckon i could just improve slightly because i lack of concentration even in a single lap, try to figure in an entire race :o

I'm craving for a FC-F1 hybrid, with F1 tracks, antisliders and FC rules...but i guess it's just utopia :mrgreen:
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 4:26 pm

Good race! I'm extremely happy with my final position bur I'm not happy about how the race went in first laps. I ended up pushed/pushing a couple of times, sorry to whoever I damaged in those situations, it wasn't intentional, I was struggling to keep the car on track :)

Looking forward to next races, hoping to improve with the car and maybe battle for top 5 (hmm ok that's too much!).
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 8:46 pm

I made a tsr from last laps of race for positions 10-13 if someone happens to be interested. I cut out all other drivers with my tool so it is easier to follow. File is not completely compatible with Turbo Sliders probably because of changes in new version or possible bugs in my program but it still plays just fine.

power79_LAPS_39-41.tsr

I guess it was less of a fight and more of a "count the errors" type of racing. :lol:
Carlos was only one capable to drive clean laps. I think I tried too hard.
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 9:18 pm

\/\/||_|_son be like

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What I made today is a WEBPAGE that lets you walk through the race standings lap by lap, kind of inspired by Carlos' request to see everyone's laptimes. It's a work in progress at this point, I want to add more features/stats/charts/whatever to it in order to facilitate direct comparisons between two (or perhaps more) drivers. I'm still contemplating the best way to go about that. Any ideas would be welcome, otherwise I might work something out myself.
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 9:58 pm

Nah, I was more like this:
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T, with the raw data maybe it could be possible to use some charts to show different status.As an example, the one below shows race position progress. I could even help you with that if I can have access to the data somehow.
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 10:04 pm

power79 wrote:...I cut out all other drivers with my tool so it is easier to follow.


What tool did you use to cut out laps?
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 10:12 pm

Tijny wrote:What I made today is a WEBPAGE that lets you walk through the race standings lap by lap...

O man, I was just about to ask you for something like this, but I was afraid that you will scream if I ask for anything else after the amazing live stats. :) I wish I could replace the current standings made by stummihouse by that one. I hope it'll allow combining multiple races for a general cup standings too (with pts etc.). It's going to be very useful for any other competition.
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostMon Feb 27, 2017 10:16 pm

Will wrote:I could even help you with that if I can have access to the data somehow.
Thank you, but the technical aspect is not a problem for me. It would be relatively straightforward to display a chart according to the time gaps between all the players (I have done this many times before), but it quickly becomes a bit of a mishmash and I was hoping there might be a cleaner solution. But I suppose it will be manageable if I implement some mechanism to conditionally show or hide certain drivers...
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 12:01 am

My race weekend:
with PB 1.25.030 local (+0.003 to REC by Tijny) and a racetotaltime test of 59min56 (Tijny 56min49, me maximal reachable 56min52 ish), 2 stops, 88% fuel, quite under practice pace AND with too much fuel consumption in the first 1-2 stints, ending up needing to save a lot of fuel in the end. Lucky 2nd place.

Tijny:
1.25.027 WR (pole & ability to improve laprecords without driving millions laps like me & the ability to drive constant fast races in the qualification), crushing race pace (i kinda expected it to be likely 0.2ish/lap faster than mine..or 0.3ish if i suck at raceday, but still hoped for a little wonder), gone for the 3rd pitstop ..just for having more fun. That's how he pwned the rest of the field -.-

Badeend:
2 crashs and a probably unnecessary 2nd pitstop with the pace of an else solid 2nd place. Quite a funny 2nd pitstop though, considering he stopped at the very end, almost missing the zone where the crew may change his tyres^^

Whip/Oompa/Bade:
Funny drift battle between Whip, Oompa and Badeend once. Whip overtaking both in the long part. Oompa on startline almost overtaking both as well, but kinda just bumps into the back of Badeend for some reason.

Will/Gol/dede:
Bit of a lap 1 desaster for dede, getting pinballed offroad due to Gols attack, followed by Wills crash into Gol, who bumps dede off.
Will/Gol ended up in last 2 places before next curve, kind of an instant punishment.

dede/Alexander Wurz:
nice 2 battle phases between you 2 there. +-lap 12 and 20 for quite a while.

Carlos/power/Silva:
nice battle for 11th place there. Pity that WILL lost 2 places in the end there..

Fuel award:
Gol/Laf were the winners of the "Fuel Fool" award this race and started with 100% fuel, not setting the startfuel.
Silva wins the "Safety first" award for setting the startfuel to a quite high 96%.
While Whip, Tijny and Max Trestappen were calculating already pretty safe with their 91% (rest of fiel 92-94), the "Save fuel" award for this race goes to Ippon-Wazaari and me, starting with just 88%. Note: in a testrace i even almost finished a race with 87%! 22 seconds of gas left, Waza still with 24 seconds (1 lap behind). Tijny had around 2.0/2.1% left. So..Wazaari kinda wins the "Fuel Calculation" Award for setting startfuel strategicly perfectly, expecting he will end up 1 lap behind the winner, ending up with 0.5% fuel. Not sure though, if he had to save a lot of fuel in the end, like i had to.
Who consumed the most fuel, i don't know yet..maybe power79 due to his driving style? And maybe it was not Waza, being green peace nr.1 with just 87.4% of fuel consumption until crossing the finish line.


@Tijny
i just see the nice race stats, cool work! Nope, add a "very" to that!
Maaaybe something risky scripted like "PIT" as side note in a column could add nice information to a lap overview.
Not sure if that's easily extractable, i read power79 talking about that somewhere, i think.
Some kinda eye catcher to see if someone drove weirdly longer in a lap compared to his normal laps. A different font color in the laptime or maybe a column with note "Crash" or "Mistake", maybe?

Edit: (@Whip, Laf, Wazaari)
just checked lap 1 for the start winner Wokinger (+8 positions) and loser Laf (-6 positions).
Wokiner seemed to kinda fullcontact the first curve, ending up in pinballing many drivers at once, Laf included. Too rough for my taste. Poor Laf was nearly at the end of the field at some point. He then could catch up a little, ending up in sidebumping Wazaari offroad in lap 1 though - a situation, side by side, where the rules might say you have to drive the inner (slower) line there and not drive to the very outside in next curve, right? To avoid being sidebumped once by Tijny in the same curve, when he overtook me, i just slowed down a bit on the outside, to just let him pass and not risk getting sidebumped offroad, because he'd beat me anyways. In a tougher fight, i would have probably kept me side to side line, forcing the inner car to slowdown for the next curve.
Imo Laf might have to wait for Waza and let him pass there.
This curve just sucks for overtaking fairly, wether you overtake outside or inside. Double trouble is programmed there, if you ask me^^...-> sidebump -> 1 goes offroad -> both drivers lose +-3 seconds (if front car waits)..
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 12:31 am

If anyone is interested in some graphs of sunday's race, check this out:

http://lvp-ts.com/races/detail/1956/
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 6:35 am

Mike Nike wrote:Who consumed the most fuel, i don't know yet..maybe power79 due to his driving style?

Well, I had to change my driving style because even 100% fuel wouldn't be enough to finish race with my old driving style. I still use quite a lot so maybe I am close to having largest "carbon footprint".

Maaaybe something risky scripted like "PIT" as side note in a column could add nice information to a lap overview.
Not sure if that's easily extractable, i read power79 talking about that somewhere, i think.

You can check my tool:
TSR_Reader.zip
Lap conversions might not work with new TS version and laps to AI function requires also saving video/recording in special RecordingInterval(sliders.ini) value. Don't remember what it is but that's not important anyway. You should be able to read lap info and also copy-paste the data if you want. Fuel and Tyre data are "end of lap" values.

Will wrote:What tool did you use to cut out laps?

You can check my tool from above link. But if you just want to cut part of a video you can watch the recording in Turbo Sliders and press F4(recording) to start making video clip and then F4 again to end it. Saved clip should then be in "video" folder.
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 10:47 am

Badeend wrote:If anyone is interested in some graphs of sunday's race, check this out:

http://lvp-ts.com/races/detail/1956/


Coooooool! I really enjoy looking at these statistics and the amount of information we can extract from then.
My secont half of the race was much more consistent than the 1st half, losing much less time to the leaders. (well, except the last lap :? ) I lost 30s to the leaders on the 1st half but only 6s on the 2nd. But that seems a trend for several players.Interesting.
What the hell happened to silva on lap 32 and 33? Maybe he messsed up the start/finish straight and compromised two laps. He's faster than me by a significant margin but it's the second race in a row he messes up somehow. He was also the last driver not being lapped.
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 11:06 am

Mike Nike wrote:2 stops, 88% fuel, quite under practice pace AND with too much fuel consumption in the first 1-2 stints, ending up needing to save a lot of fuel in the end.
[...]
the "Save fuel" award for this race goes to Ippon-Wazaari and me, starting with just 88%. Note: in a testrace i even almost finished a race with 87%! 22 seconds of gas left, Waza still with 24 seconds (1 lap behind).

Did you think you were going to finish the race with 88% fuel without having to change your driving style? Or did you know it was a risky percentage, but felt like you would need any possible edge you could get? Taking 2% less might save around 1.0-1.5 seconds over the course of an hour, but eco driving costs much more than that, and then there's still the psychological effect of worrying whether you can get home safely. I prefer knowing for sure that I can make it to the end without conserving fuel at any point.
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 11:39 am

I kinda feel demotivated from trying looking at how fast everyone is,

Will there be a slow ppl race? Or only the TOP20 gets to race?

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 12:57 pm

\/\/||_|_ wrote:Coooooool! I really enjoy looking at these statistics and the amount of information we can extract from then.
My secont half of the race was much more consistent than the 1st half, losing much less time to the leaders. (well, except the last lap :? ) I lost 30s to the leaders on the 1st half but only 6s on the 2nd. But that seems a trend for several players.Interesting.

The timings are based on the average pace of the race winner. Taking myself as an example, I lost 15 seconds to my own average pace in the first 21 laps, but gained those same 15 seconds back in the latter half (which works out to be a difference of 30 seconds). It's completely normal, with an emptier fuel tank you can easily go 1.0-1.5 seconds/lap faster than early on in the race. The traffic is also much denser in the beginning, especially if you're in the pack fighting for 5th-10th position. At least that's what I heard... :P

\/\/||_|_ wrote:What the hell happened to silva on lap 32 and 33? Maybe he messsed up the start/finish straight and compromised two laps. He's faster than me by a significant margin but it's the second race in a row he messes up somehow. He was also the last driver not being lapped.

He pitted, forgot to fully repair his tyres like a Badeend, and then decided to come in again on the next lap. Seems like not such a great strategy if you ask me!
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 12:59 pm

power79 wrote:I guess it was less of a fight and more of a "count the errors" type of racing. :lol:
Carlos was only one capable to drive clean laps. I think I tried too hard.


Haha yeah it was more a war of nerves but we had our fight moments, like that crossing lines maneuvre in Turn 3 (the one you avoid if you pit) around lap 36-38 I don't remember :p

And thanks to all of you for these special extras, I really enjoy them cause I'm a statistic nerd so they are really welcome. :D Can't wait to race again, even if it seems I have some problems with new track :s
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 1:01 pm

Carlos Sainz Jr wrote:I didn't get what happened to Silva tho, if I'm not wrong he pitted twice in last 6-7 laps.

I noticed that too Will haha :mrgreen:


Ooeps, double post. I'm sorry :oops:
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 1:22 pm

[siLciR] wrote:I kinda feel demotivated from trying looking at how fast everyone is,

Will there be a slow ppl race? Or only the TOP20 gets to race?

Cheers

We may consider this in case we get 40+ players qualified. But, why don't you simply drive the main race? It's not that hard to get to top 20 I guess. And even if you don't, you can still drive the race if there are free spots. :wink:
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 1:53 pm

Actually, I thought that a "div2" with a "different day/time (later) than div1" might be a second chance to race for top20 players who couldn't race div1.
E.g. Sunday night this div1 race happens, the next day Magnam, Palo and Betix (top20s who didn't show up for div1) can play a div2 race with the players below top20 who didn't pass the div1-free-spots-repechage.
But yeah, if it's a "div1-absentees + 3 random guys" cup it doesn't make sense, we need more people - I'm not sure how many of us #21-#40 would show up.
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 7:09 pm

@Silcir/dede
First time i tried that car, i was 1-3 seconds (track depending) slower than the record as well. I'm sure, you guys will catch up, if you just practice a little. Although watching dede race, it kinda felt like he is more chilling and having fun cruising than trying any serious... yet! Which is fine too, though! :D

Tijny wrote:Did you think you were going to finish the race with 88% fuel without having to change your driving style? Or did you know it was a risky percentage, but felt like you would need any possible edge you could get? Taking 2% less might save around 1.0-1.5 seconds over the course of an hour, but eco driving costs much more than that, and then there's still the psychological effect of worrying whether you can get home safely. I prefer knowing for sure that I can make it to the end without conserving fuel at any point.


Well..in my last test run, i think i did not have to save a lot of fuel in the end. In the race though, i used a bit more fuel somehow. Just to be sure i saved probably a bit more fuel than i needed in the end, but considering 2nd place was kind of safe that way, it felt like the right decision.
I agree that needing to save fuel can cost way more seconds than the time i gain with driving on lower fuel. I will add an additional 1% safety (also good in case of disconnections/warps/crashs) for the next races, most likely.
But yeah, i feel like i need any possible edge^^. Just told Whippe yesterday, that my pure skill, pace and pressure handling is not as good as yours. That being said: i'm not gonna pit-"cheat" crash in the haybales to save time though, in case that is not forbidden yet anyways..
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