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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Mike Nike » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:12 pm

xD Whip! Nice one

ktf is having a picknick in the pit. And after he is done, he is taking a little nap.
Carlos is actually jumping out of his car and helping his crew changing the tyres.

Average pitting times:

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 1. Carlos Sainz Jr  13.636 sec. (2)
 2. [SL] Wokinger    13.769 sec. (2)
 3. [x] Mike Nike    13.860 sec. (2)
 4. Jormeli          13.918 sec. (2)
 5. [+] Badeend      13.966 sec. (2)
 6. [+] dede         14.106 sec. (1)
 7. Laf              14.119 sec. (1)
 8. Alexander Wurz   14.163 sec. (2)
 9. Ippon-Wazaari    14.219 sec. (3)
10. Silva            14.303 sec. (2)
11. Oompa            14.347 sec. (1)
12. \/\/||_|_        14.685 sec. (1)
13. Tinjowitsu-san   14.791 sec. (3)
14. Max Trestappen   15.184 sec. (3)
15. [x] Whiplash     15.290 sec. (1)
16. power79          15.527 sec. (3)
17. Enrico Papi      15.633 sec. (2)
18. TDi_Gol_v8       15.897 sec. (1)
19. ktf              17.538 sec. (2)
3rd place, yay :)
13th for T...another "hidden" edge i cant count on anymore for the upcoming races, damnit :D

Note: there might be players who stopped short and had to rejoin the pits because the tyres were not changed yet, resulting into misleading fast stats. Not sure, if Carlos is one of them, but i remember that i used to have pretty solid reaction times in the pit - but i might have added a little "early brake" safety, costing me time, like Tijny.

@power
no worries, flood us with the stats - could be cool and funny to have these stats for every race :D
btw, maybe add "average pit stopping time" as well?

@Tijny
Yep, especially for the next track the early braking to avoid haybalecrash/stuck desaster is necessary. But too early will end up in losing around a second it seems from these stats. I hope people won't kamikaze each other on sunday in the pits..

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by dede » Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:54 am

Hmm kamikaze... I like! But I won't likely manage to hit anybody with my current driving accuracy!

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Carlos Sainz Jr » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:07 pm

Mike Nike wrote:xD Whip! Nice one

ktf is having a picknick in the pit. And after he is done, he is taking a little nap.
Carlos is actually jumping out of his car and helping his crew changing the tyres.

Average pitting times:

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 1. Carlos Sainz Jr  13.636 sec. (2)
 2. [SL] Wokinger    13.769 sec. (2)
 3. [x] Mike Nike    13.860 sec. (2)
 4. Jormeli          13.918 sec. (2)
 5. [+] Badeend      13.966 sec. (2)
 6. [+] dede         14.106 sec. (1)
 7. Laf              14.119 sec. (1)
 8. Alexander Wurz   14.163 sec. (2)
 9. Ippon-Wazaari    14.219 sec. (3)
10. Silva            14.303 sec. (2)
11. Oompa            14.347 sec. (1)
12. \/\/||_|_        14.685 sec. (1)
13. Tinjowitsu-san   14.791 sec. (3)
14. Max Trestappen   15.184 sec. (3)
15. [x] Whiplash     15.290 sec. (1)
16. power79          15.527 sec. (3)
17. Enrico Papi      15.633 sec. (2)
18. TDi_Gol_v8       15.897 sec. (1)
19. ktf              17.538 sec. (2)
3rd place, yay :)
13th for T...another "hidden" edge i cant count on anymore for the upcoming races, damnit :D

Note: there might be players who stopped short and had to rejoin the pits because the tyres were not changed yet, resulting into misleading fast stats. Not sure, if Carlos is one of them, but i remember that i used to have pretty solid reaction times in the pit - but i might have added a little "early brake" safety, costing me time, like Tijny.
No no, I just pitted twice and both of them with 100% of tyres, no mistakes at all :p

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by power79 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:51 am

Mike Nike wrote: @power
no worries, flood us with the stats - could be cool and funny to have these stats for every race :D
btw, maybe add "average pit stopping time" as well?
Yes, I am planning to do these for every race. I added average pit time.
Race Stats

Other changes:
- "Tyre Wear / min" and "Fuel Consumption / min" fixed as I hadn't included time spent on first lap into calculation.
- Added extra info to Offroad times: Times offroad(> 0.1 sec) and lap with highest time spent offroad.
- Added "Pixels Travelled / lap (Pit Laps Excluded)" stat. Don't know how useful this is but there it is anyway.

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Tijny » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:10 pm

power79 wrote:- Added "Pixels Travelled / lap (Pit Laps Excluded)" stat. Don't know how useful this is but there it is anyway.
I like this statistic, what might make it more interesting is to see the average speeds of each driver and how those numbers correlate. Good laptimes are a function of short distance and high speed, and it could be nice to see who favors which. Although I guess the speed data will be kind of skewed by different drivers doing different numbers of stops, unless you include pit laps? Not sure about that.
On a somewhat related note, it might be cool to see some sort of measure of how fuel load and tyre wear affects the laptimes of each driver, if that's not too tricky to do?

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by power79 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:36 pm

Tijny wrote: Although I guess the speed data will be kind of skewed by different drivers doing different numbers of stops, unless you include pit laps? Not sure about that.
That's why I didn't include speed. But I added that now. Probably needs some adjustments to be useful information.
On a somewhat related note, it might be cool to see some sort of measure of how fuel load and tyre wear affects the laptimes of each driver, if that's not too tricky to do?
I thought that for a while but didn't come up with anything that works. Seems to be too much noise in lap times to get any sensible numbers.

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Tijny » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:16 pm

power79 wrote:That's why I didn't include speed. But I added that now. Probably needs some adjustments to be useful information.
That list is actually quite fascinating. I expected myself to be at the top with my 3 stops, but the others are closer than I thought and I really didn't expect Oompa and Whiplash so high up given they only stopped once. It seems average speed is a great measure of actual driving skill, and pitstops apparently have little effect on this statistic.

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by magnam » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:34 pm

is there any statistics on who drove the most qualifying laps

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Wokinger » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:42 am

Nice stats power!
I'd like to also see top speeds. It should be easy to get ;)

Maybe it could be nice to prepare application which generates these stats for everybody. ;)

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Will » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:36 pm

All these statistics are really great! I think it would be a good idea to place them in a single, easy to find, place, like the turbosliders.com homepage or something.

http://lvp-ts.com/laptimes/?track=4K_Wh ... er=server3

http://lvp-ts.com/races/detail/1956/

http://www.kolumbus.fi/arilai79/4K_Wh_Avantura_v2.txt

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by power79 » Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:08 pm

Wokinger wrote:Nice stats power!
I'd like to also see top speeds. It should be easy to get ;)

Maybe it could be nice to prepare application which generates these stats for everybody. ;)
Yeah, top speed is easy. I can add that tomorrow before race starts.

Public application is not that simple. First of, I have to re-record every race video with lowest recordinterval(20) setting to get accurate data for stats. There is also some other manual work for every track like getting coordinates for pit enter and exit checklines.

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Azev » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:35 pm

Whip, I don't appear here, I thought it was automatic... On the server I have 22nd place now

http://lvp-ts.com/laptimes/?track=4K_Wh ... er=server3

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Tijny » Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:54 pm

Azev wrote:Whip, I don't appear here, I thought it was automatic... On the server I have 22nd place now

http://lvp-ts.com/laptimes/?track=4K_Wh ... er=server3
Looks like a bug, but not being displayed there does not affect your actual qualifying position in any way -- what counts is your position as it's displayed on the server. Still, would be nice if Whip fixed it.

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Whiplash » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:55 pm

Tijny wrote:...would be nice if Whip fixed it.
Sure, as soon as I join IRC, I'll be informed about it.

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Badeend » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:12 pm

Azev wrote:Whip, I don't appear here, I thought it was automatic... On the server I have 22nd place now

http://lvp-ts.com/laptimes/?track=4K_Wh ... er=server3
Should be fixed now :)

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Tijny » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:39 am

Starting today, the joining procedure for those who qualified in places 21 through 30 will be different.

Instead of opening up to all of them at the same time, the server will periodically allow one more player every 6 seconds, based on the qualifying order. This order will be displayed in the chat, and 20 seconds after that, P21 will be added to the list of allowed players. P22 will follow 6 seconds later, and that's how it keeps going up to P30. If the server is still not full by that point, it will open up for everyone, which is how it was before.

6 seconds might not sound like much, but it's plenty of time to get in if you know when your turn comes up and prepare accordingly. That is, if enough people ahead of you don't show up. ;)

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by power79 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:58 pm

Top Speeds now added:
Race Stats(Avantura)

I also found drafting related, constantly updating number from tsr files. It ranges from 0 to 60 for every driver, so it could be related "DraftingMaxDistance" setting that is set to 60. In that case it probably isn't useful for stats, but if someone knows more about this let me know.

Don't know if others feel this way but qualification quality is pretty crazy. If you are even 1% from record you are out of top-20. If I would have left my best time to what I was thinking at first I would now be 21st. With this much popularity for competition, that division 2 race looks like something that should happen.

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Badeend » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:27 pm

Stats of tonight's race:

http://lvp-ts.com/races/detail/2531/

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Whiplash » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:17 am

Standings are updated and video is uploaded.

Comment on the race:
It was a lot more interesting race from my perspective. After few mistakes (some of them were mine, some not) I had to struggle with drivers from the back of the grid (I think I was 16th at some point). During the positions improving I stucked behind Carlos, who sadly god a problems (got scared and ran away hiding in bushes). Then I got in battle with dede for quite a lot time and then, damn, Jormeli was the next target. I've spent half of the race catching him up (seems like we were on similar strategy). In last 5 laps I totally lost concentration, but I still somehow managed to stay on the road. Seeing that only few laps are left, I almost decided to give up - but Jormelion luckily went too wide to grass in very last laps. :wink:
EDIT: Now I see I had a decent advantage by less fuel in my tank. Hmm, without that I would've probably stayed 5th.

Incidents:
- I had some unfair battling with Carlos and Kid. Those amateurs need to learn what blue flag is. :P
- I got stucked in Asustance - it was pure incident, I guess.

Now, seeing these stats, it's easy to see how far away those 3 top drivers are. And that big hole is there mostly because I didn't manage to get more cleaner from first few laps. Also, Oompa and Palo were obviously missing there too.

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by power79 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:24 am

Here are the stats:
Race Stats(Bridgis)

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Whiplash » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:41 am

power79 wrote:Here are the stats:
Race Stats(Bridgis)
Nice! Also, instead of just "End Fuel", you could make "Start Fuel/End Fuel". :wink:

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Mike Nike » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:01 am

I screwed up that race (with help of Astunce), but my love to statistics is kinda endless, sooo here we go :D ...

Race week 2, qualification @4K_Wh_Bridgis_v2:

44 players in qualification. NEW RECORD! (Old: 35)

Startpositions (best/worst):
1. [x] Mike Nike (1,2) NEW REC (-1)
2. Tinjowitsu-san (1,2) NEW LOW (+1)
3. [+] Badeend (3,3)
4. Carlos Sainz Jr (4,11) NEW REC (-7) -> surprise of the week! Congratulations, Carlos!!!
5. [fS]Palo (5,8) NEW REC (-3)
6. [x] Whiplash (4,6) NEW LOW (+2)
7. power79 (7,7)
8. siLciR (8,26) NEW REC (-18) -> almost back to old speed
9. Jormeli (6,9) NEW LOW (+3)
10. [+] dede (5,10) NEW LOW (+5) -> still driving with a handicap...
11. TDi_Gol_v8 (11,16) NEW REC (-5)
12. [SL] Wokinger (12,18) NEW LOW (+6) -> where are the times Wokinger fights with Szymek and Mike on a similar level?
13. Magnam (10,13)
14. Laf (12,14)
15. Alexander Wurz (13,15)
16. \/\/||_|_ (15,16)
17. Oompa (17,22) -> fast Oompa from race 1 seems to have qualification troubles...
18. Silva (9,18) -> no good quali for Silva :(
19. [SL] Szymek (19)
20. Lagaro (20)
21. ktf (14,21)
22. Azev (22)
23. Astunce (23,28)
24. Ippon-Wazaari (17,24)
25. Enrico Papi (23,25)
26. ThePunaMagicoZZZ (21,26)
27. Matic (24,27)
...

Fastest "first" lap in 6 lap qualification races:
1. Badeend 1.07.188
2. Mike 1.07.22x
3. Tijny..right?

Fastest 6 lap races (kinda to have a small peak on race consistency):
1. Mike 6min25.2x (with sucky last lap, so 6min24.8 possible, low 6min24 maybe reachable)
2. Badeend 6min25.4x
3. Tijny 6min25.8x (?) or better..


Qualifications in comparison:
Top10 last week were within 0.96% off the record. This week 0.82%. Got tougher!
Top20 last week were within 1.70% off the record. This week 1.15%. Got tougher!
Gap between 3rd and 4th last week were 0.39% (0.331s). This week 0.46% (0.290s).
Maybe the Top3 got more crazy in the battle, considering last week's track was actually more difficult.


Laptime surprises:
Mike lowering the 63.59ish rec by Tijny to 63.38.
Tijny, without having driven a 63.4x lap yet, drops off a 63.37, while Bade closes up from 63.60 to 63.48, later to 63.44.
Mike smashing the rec down to 63.30 with Bade closing up to 63.39 at some point.
Carlos Sainz Jr throws out a 63.594 for an awesome 4th place, beating the record Tijny once had in the very first day. MUITO BOM!
Tijny crushing Mike's rec down to 63.226 and Badeend closes up to 63.304 (+0.003 to Mike).
Mike, without driving a single 63.2x on the server, catches a 63.192 for the pole position.
T being so friendly to not go for another rec :D <3

WILL decides to copycat Alexander Wurz 63.847 lap :P
ktf missing top20 by 0.003 :E
10 drivers within 0.126s! Milliseconds war! :D
17 drivers within 0.263s!


Known practice race total times:
1. Tijny 60min56s
2. Mike 61min02.6s (with 10 mistakes costing 7.0sec)



Race:
Having practiced the start, the pit (1.16.0ish pitlap often @28/28 1 stop stints), having driven some quite solid practice races AND having solid constant fast races in the qualification server AND having the pole on an easy track was THE chance to beat Tijny :D ...but seeing how constant Bade and Tijny drove the qualification races as well kinda let me feel there is probably around a 33% winning chance for all of the top3.
I kinda planned to experimental check my "off pace" performance during my race, like i did in most of my practice races, because this kinda pushed me to drive constant fast laps, but instead i screwed up a lot of 1st curves, fearing to mess up so badly, i screw up the race lead unnecessarily. The result was: 1st curve suckiness and upper right curve suckiness, as if i never practiced these curves before. Pressure handling: fail.

Lap 1: last curve i tried to place my car in a way Tijny has to overtake right, without realizing he was probably trying to overtake left -> in the replay it might look a bit like i blocked him, but that was not really the plan. I just had the early plan to place my car in a way Tijny might have to drive a wide curve to overtake right.
I suddenly had a little lead at some point and thought that i could maybe fly away (lol)...but apparently i was not the only once practicing before the race :P
Lap +-11?: Badeend trying to overtake inside with me having the plan to give him such a slow corner speed that i will outspeed him on the outside with us two going into the curve side by side. It ended up with Bade colliding with me, while i was kinda driving at the very edge of the track. Imo no clean overtake...but that did not seem to make a difference in today's race results.
Lap 33: after driving offroad in stint 1, losing a place to Tijny at some point, i chose to pit 3 laps earlier in order to avoid upcoming traffic (3 cars getting lapped). A horrible pit lap of Tijny (stuck twice or so -> he lost 4 seconds to my somewhat solid pitlap there!), i even came out in front of Badeend. At lap 33 or so i had around +-1.2sec lead to Badeend and 5.2sec lead to Tijny (which i didnt know at that point).
Lap 36: unfortunately Astunce probably tried to not lose time when getting lapped by me, so he stayed on the ideal line in the fast middle full speed curve instead of driving a wide outside line in order to let me pass. That way i got a bit surprised by the draft and went deeply offroad and lost about 4.0 seconds. (-> punish for Astunce? or was that less of a biggy? or should that even be considered to be the fault of the lapping driver? anyway, he probably did not realize he would screw me up there. maybe the lapped cars should try to avoid that. this time it wasnt a big problem, considering Tijny was imo faster and kinda deserved the 2nd place more, even though his lack of pit practice should have probably punished him a bit more^^)
Lap ??: Astunce crashing in the lower left corner, Badeend into him^^...giving me the chance to close up. Unfortunately that caused dede to get sandwiched between Bade and me, so i lost another second by drafting badly behind dede in the upper left corner, i would have loved to avoid - although even if dede would have driven a slow outside curve there, i would have probably screwed the curve a little bit due to the draft chaos. Still, it felt like an important second..
I felt like chasing Badeend now, somewhat not caring a lot about Tijny, even he was closer to me than i was to Badeend and i had the tyre-disadvantage.
At some point Tijny got closer again and after driving offroad, he could easily pass me - he woulda caught me anyway though, it seemed at that point.
So i went with a bit more risk to avoid getting him into the draft zone.

In the end: my practice pace was solid, but my pressure handling blacked me out.
Well deserved win for Badeend. Grats again! When Tijny was a second behind somewhat early, i actually had a good feeling the race might be decided between me and Bade, but Tijny's pace increased in a way that i could not handle well. With Astunce help, T's horrible pit desaster (costing him a possible win) was evenized in a way that he could catch my somewhat safe 2nd place. Meh^^

Fuel strategy:
this time, seeing how well i perform in practice with the strategy of just hunting a lapbased record each lap, i did not care about fuel consumption at all. Thus, the bad fuel stats.




Stats by power79: (ty, power!)
Nice fast pitlap (lap 19) by Carlos! My 2nd place wasnt super strong, but for a safe pitlap pretty solid!
Badeend 93% startfuel, ending with 2.1% -> WTF :D ...rolling out long before curves to have a better aiming and more consistency or what? As Tijny told us to?


Next week qualification link (correct me if this one is wrong):
http://lvp-ts.com/laptimes/?track=4K_Wh ... er=server3

I checked my PB there: (1.31.784)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oYc6Dl ... e=youtu.be

I remember that this rec was tough to beat on this very difficult track and i saw a low 1.31.5 driven by Tijny on LVP5 i think. With Badeend having the old rec and being able to drive a 1.31.9 on 1st try and Tijny a 1.31.6 on 1st try, i see good chances in getting only 3rd place, maaaybe 2nd with some luck. That being said, i probably skip improving my server records on purpose for most of the week and probably even skip a lot of practicing, using the rainy days in this week to be more active in another "game" ;)

Practice Race Test for next Race: (might be useful for some drivers in order to know fuel or pace for next race)
1:01:34.730 (39 laps, 95% startfuel, ending with 7.75%, 2xpit -> 13/13/13 stints, FL: 1:32.4xy)
crahs: 1 (4 seconds lost entering pits)
practice: only 12 laps at qualification server, so i kinda blindly gone into testing without knowing the pits.
/startfuel 88% it might be for me then.
Pitlap 2 was around 1.43.3 (semi fast, not sure), so the pitlap might cost around 10.5 seconds (1-2 stopper might be similar fast, not considering traffic)

The last race first practice (with more pre practice though) was 61min15.8+- (with 5-6 seconds of mistakes) -> later it ended up in 61min02.6 with 7 seconds mistakes, so...probably my end pace would be more than just 12-13 sec faster, i hope^^ -> 1:01:21, taking off average 7 seconds off due to sucky race pace, the top3 might finish within 1:01:28 in the upcoming race, in case i would practice enough to be that fast. Drivers finishing 1-2 laps behind might use this in order to start with lower startfuel. Though i wonder how many drivers are actually practicing a full local race (and how many of them read this here^^)...

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Carlos Sainz Jr » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:39 am

Whiplash wrote:Standings are updated and video is uploaded.
Incidents:
- I had some unfair battling with Carlos and Kid. Those amateurs need to learn what blue flag is. :P
When did that happen, Whippe? I let you pass twice leaving you the best direction line possible in that Turn in the bottom left view of the track, the one before last braking. Then, unfortunately for you, my tyres were better so everytime you made your own mistakes I overtook you again but when you were close, again, i slowed down a lot to let you pass. I'm really sorry if I did something not correct, but I really don't remember it. Can you please tell me when did that happen so I can give a look at it?

Comment on my race: How to ruin great qualifying? Being disconnected for 3-4 mins straight! :mrgreen:

Ps: I think that Final Standing of the race is missing, quite funny since we have all these stats and not how the race ended with gaps and FL :p
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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Tijny » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:42 am

Mike Nike wrote:I screwed up that race (with help of Astunce), but my love to statistics is kinda endless, sooo here we go :D ...
Credits for blaming yourself first, traffic second. Great sportsmanship!
Mike Nike wrote:Fastest "first" lap in 6 lap qualification races:
1. Badeend 1.07.188
2. Mike 1.07.22x
3. Tijny..right?
I did a 1:07.184 yesterday, right before the race. :D
Mike Nike wrote:T being so friendly to not go for another rec :D <3
I'm not sure if I would have been able to, it would have at least taken me many tries. Even 1:03.3 was very difficult for me to hit, which you seemed to be able to drive with a lot more regularity.
Mike Nike wrote:Badeend 93% startfuel, ending with 2.1% -> WTF :D ...rolling out long before curves to have a better aiming and more consistency or what? As Tijny told us to?
I really need to start following my own advice more! In the race I consistently braked just a fraction late, causing me to go wider at the apexes than I needed to, costing me both distance and corner exit speed. It would have been better to brake a fraction too early, like Badeend apparently did really well. The average lap distance stat seems to reflect this too.

I'm quite sad that I messed up my pit lap that badly. Not so much because it might have cost me the win (I don't mind losing), but more so because I missed the opportunity to have a great battle with Mike and Badeend into the second half of the race as well. B's race pace was unreal (I'm guessing without having practiced with actual race settings?) but I would have loved to challenge him just a bit more. Still, well done to him for not letting it get to that!

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Re: Formula 1 World Championship #1

Post by Carlos Sainz Jr » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:01 pm

Whiplash wrote: - I had some unfair battling with Carlos and Kid. Those amateurs need to learn what blue flag is. :P
I checked by myself, lap 18 or 19 and from lap 39 to lap 42. I really don't see anything wrong, betch. Gimme 10 more points for defamation!!!

http://lvp-ts.com/race/?name=bridgis <--- T's WEBPAGE.

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