dede wrote:What??? Date is nonsense, since any player can wank whenever he wants and without limits. If I drive the record in 2005 and you drive as fast as me in 2012, it's exactly the same time and same skill involved. The fact that I drove it before you doesn't mean that I'm better than you. It means only that I drove before than you, but our laps are the same.
No, I didn't mean that. I thought that analysing the dates could show you somebodies shape. Sure, that could not be totally true too, but can be useful. Player with 2005 rec will be probably slower that player with 2012 rec in some race that they drove in 2012 year. But anyway, 2005 rec from that player can still show you his potential. You can see that he's able to drive fast, but you ll not take it too serious.
dede wrote:And it's nonsense to care about HOW many laps we drove either.
I already agreed with that. Many laps builds your skill too, so there is nothing to complain about.
dede wrote:Nothing can be 100% true, so it's about finding the nearest value. The nearest you can get, in my opinion, is to allow only the luck-factor. All drivers with same laps, no lag, no ghost irritation etc. One track, one car. 0.03x difference is the luck factor. That's all
Sure! I never denied that. If somebody wants to see who's the best driver, he need to know that he 'll not be able to find that information.
If somebody wants that this ranking be useful and relevant for him, then he needs to know how read it. If you see that someone is 5th and someone is 6th with just a little gap, then you can't be stupid and say that 5th is 100% faster then 6th. You will be careful with that.
Also, you always forgetting that we don't have 1 little track there. We will have maybe 12 tracks, and nobody can be lucky on 12 different tracks. If the times were similar on all of them for 2 drivers, smart viewer would not say that first one is faster for sure. He will just conclude that those 2 drivers have pretty similar potential.
Del wrote:Let's take players A and B who are always fighting each other in every race. They're equally skilled. When they get on a wanking server they drive every lap within .0x of each other. B (player B, not Badneed off course) wanks for 75 laps and has to leave for work but A continues for another 75 laps. In the end A is .242 faster than B. The next day they participate in an Anti league race (the wank car was Anti too) and again fight the whole race. A is not more skilled or faster than B. He just acquired more track knowledge and/or managed to do a very risky lap, something which both of them had been trying to do for the last 50 laps of B's wank. I wouldn't say A is better though in your ranking he could be much higher than B.
Man, you need to read my posts if you want to discuss with me.
If player A and player B are equal in FC. Then player A make better times on ranking (by billion laps) then player B (because player B didn't play enough for some reason), then it's impossible to say that they're still equal drivers! Player A wanked bilion laps, he got a skill, and he's faster now. Next time when they come to FC, A will destroy B like a shit. And there is nothing to complain about.
For example, when I just came on this community, Etana were one of the sickest drivers in my ayes. I couldn't even touch him during the FC races. But after some time that I used to wank a billions laps, he couldn't even fallow me properly in FC.
So, you can't complain that someone drives billions laps, because he don't do that for nothing, he's becoming faster while doing that.
And one more thing, you can't compare 2 drivers if one of them don't want to compete. You can't get better time just by driving 5 laps. That's the rule for all cups.
Otherwise I could say: Oh dede won the race. That's not fair. My father didn't drive that race because he has a job.
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That would be cool to play, but I don't think that you would go farther with that. It's just impossible to include all parameters. It's even not possible to discover all things that affect on our driving. But as I said, ranking is the most practical for all of us. And you'll see, it's pretty precise too. We only need to know how to read all its informations properly. There is no way to be sure who's the best driver, so this ranking will not be an exception. But if you read it carefully, you will be satisfied.
I'm sure, even if you make some contest which you mean that is more relevant, it will not show any different results then wanking ranking. You will only destroy yourself by trying to script and handle it all. But as I said, I would like to play it cause it seems fun.
Ok, I ll start with collection of tracks. It will be the best if we all suggest 2-3 tracks that we like. If someone don't like any of selected tracks for some reason, then he should just say it. I'll put all your desired tracks to first post to be more visible.